Africa Business Summit ku Washington, DC

Ngati mukufuna kuchita bizinesi ku Africa, musapite kumeneko! Osachepera mpaka mutapita ku Msonkhano Wamalonda wa US-Africa wa 2009 ku Washington, DC kumapeto kwa September. Pamwambowu mudzakumana ndi anthu opitilira 2,000 kuphatikiza atsogoleri abizinesi, nduna, nduna, komanso mwina Purezidenti wa United States. Kenako muyenera kulowa nawo m'bungwe lomwe limayang'anira msonkhano: Corporate Council on Africa. Tsopano mwakonzeka kupita kukachita bizinesi ku Africa!

Lero, tili ndi Sandy Dhuyvetter wa Travel Talk Radio akuchititsa zokambirana ndi Stephen Hayes, pulezidenti ndi CEO wa The Corporate Council on Africa.

Sandy Dhuyvetter: Tili ndi wina yemwe wakhala akuwonetsa nthawi zambiri, ndipo sindingathe kukuuzani kuchuluka kwa anthu omwe akubweretsa patsamba lino. Nonse mumakonda kwambiri Africa, ndipo nonse mumakonda kwambiri The Corporate Council on Africa, ndipo tonse ndife okondwa kubwera nafe Purezidenti ndi CEO, Stephen Hayes. Ali ku Washington, DC wangobwera kumene kuchokera ku Kenya ndi Ethiopia ndipo, mwa njira, ndamva kuti wangodya chakudya chamadzulo ndi Hillary Clinton, ndiye timufunsanso za izi. Zikomo, Stephen, chifukwa chobwera nafenso.

Stephen Hayes: Wokondwa nthawi zonse kwa Sandy; Ndine wokondwa.

Sandy: Ndibwino kukhala nanu pa pulogalamuyi. Mwachitadi ntchito yabwino potiphunzitsa ndi kutisangalatsa ifenso, ku Africa. Pali zambiri zoti tikambirane. Kontinentiyi ndi yayikulu, ndipo ndimangoyang'ana tsamba lathu lanyumba TravelTalkRADIO.com. Tidasewera chiwonetsero cha "Zabwino Kwambiri" osati kale kwambiri, ndipo, ndithudi, mudali pamwamba pa tchati. Chifukwa chake mwatchulidwa, ndikuganiza kuti muli ndi magawo atatu patsamba lofikira, zikomo!

Hayes: Chabwino, ndizo zabwino!

Sandy: Eya, ndipo ndikufunanso kunena kuti tikhala ndi zolembedwa za izi kotero ngati mukufuna kuziwerenga, tikhala nazonso. Mwa njira, landirani kunyumba. Munali ku Kenya ku Ethiopia?

Hayes: Kulondola, ndinali pa msonkhano wapachaka wa AGOA, womwe ndi Africa Growth and Opportunity Act. Ife takhala gawo lofunikira la izo; tidatsogoza bungwe la private sector pa izi. Msonkhano wa AGOA kwenikweni ndi msonkhano wa nduna, nduna zonse zamalonda kuchokera ku Africa monse, komanso nthumwi zapamwamba za US. Pamenepa, nthumwi za ku America zinkatsogoleredwa ndi Hillary Clinton.

Sandy : nde iwe unalipo ndipo ndamva kuti unadya naye?

Hayes: Chabwino, tinadya naye chakudya asananyamuke. Adayitana khumi, ndikuganiza, alangizi kapena chilichonse chomwe mungafune, kuti adye naye asananyamuke ku Washington ku dipatimenti ya Boma. Chotero, tinakhala ndi chakudya chamadzulo cha maola aŵiri kukambitsirana za ulendo wake wa ku Africa ndi nkhani zimene aliyense wa ife ankaganiza kuti ziyenera kuonekera pamene iye anali kumeneko ndi zimene anafunikiradi kuzithetsa. Kotero, chinali chakudya chamadzulo chabwino kwambiri, ndipo ndinali ndi mwayi wokhala ndi mpando pafupi ndi iye. Kotero, chinali chakudya chamadzulo chabwino kwambiri.

Sandy : chabwino, ndipo mwamupeza wokongola?

Hayes: Inde, ndinatero. Ndinamupeza wokonda kwambiri. Ndidamvetsetsa kuchuluka kwa chithandizo chomwe ali nacho, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti apanga Mlembi wamkulu wa boma.

Sandy: Zikuoneka choncho. Mukudziwa, zomwe ndimakonda kwambiri [ndi] tinali ndi Purezidenti Obama posachedwa ku Ghana. Ife, ndithudi, Mlembi wathu wa State Clinton ku Kenya. Zikuwoneka kuti pali chidwi chochuluka ku Africa pompano.

Hayes: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti payenera kukhala zifukwa zosiyanasiyana. Mlembi wa boma adapita ku mayiko asanu ndi awiri, ndipo ndikudziwa kuti adanena kuti adadzipereka kwambiri ku Africa kuposa ngakhale asanayambe ulendo, atabwerako. Ndithudi pali zofunika mphamvu. Aliyense akudziwa kuti, chabwino, anthu ambiri amadziwa, kuti Africa ipereka pafupifupi 25 peresenti ya zosowa zathu zamagetsi. Chifukwa chake, izi zimapangitsa Africa kukhala yofunika kwa ife pazachuma basi. Koma, ndikuganiza chifukwa chachuma komanso zovuta zomwe tili nazo pachuma chathu pano, ndikuganiza kuti Africa ikupereka misika yabwino kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ubale wabizinesi waku US-Africa ungathandize kontinenti yonse. ya Africa ndi mayiko 53 omwe ali pamenepo, komanso United States.

Sandy: Mukudziwa kuti 25 peresenti ya mphamvu idzachokera ku Africa. Ndi ku US?

Stephen Hayes: Ku US. Ndichoncho.

Sandy: Zosangalatsa kwambiri. Zidzakhala bwanji? Zikhala mu solar kapena…?

Hayes: Ayi, ndikutanthauza mafuta. Zosowa zathu zamafuta ndi… 25 peresenti ikubwera kuchokera ku Africa. Ndipo kotero, izo zimapangitsa kuti kuperekako kukhala kofunikira. N'zotheka kuti izo zikhoza kukula pakapita nthawi, nazonso. Makamaka, komanso, ngati tipita ku gasi. Africa ili ndi zinthu zambiri zosungiramo gasi wachilengedwe. Chifukwa chake, tikhala tikudalira Africa pazosowa zathu zamphamvu kwazaka makumi angapo.

Sandy: Mukudziwa, ndinazindikira pamene ndinati "dzuwa," sindikudziwa momwe [munthu] angasamutsire dzuwa, koma ndithudi mphamvu ya dzuwa ikanakhala yaikulu kumeneko, ikuwonekanso.

Hayes: Potengera zosowa zamphamvu zaku Africa, pali kale kuyesa kwamphamvu kwa dzuwa. Zimakhala zovuta kutsitsa mtengo wa mphamvu ya dzuwa poyerekeza ndi mitundu ina yachikhalidwe, koma ndikuganiza kuti iyenera kukhala gawo lamtsogolo, makamaka ku Africa. Chifukwa chake inde, pali mwayi waukulu kwa anthu omwe akuyika ndalama pamagetsi adzuwa, makamaka pankhani yaku Africa. Koma mphamvu za mphamvu ku Africa zidzakhalanso zazikulu, kotero kuti athe kugula mphamvu, akuyenera kugulitsa mphamvu malinga ndi momwe mafuta amakhalira, ndikuyika ndalama zamitundu ina kuti azigwiritsa ntchito mphamvu zawo. kumwa.

Sandy: Mukamaganiza m'mawu amenewo, mkati mwa zaka khumi, kontinenti ingakhale yamphamvu kwambiri, sichoncho?

Hayes: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti pazachuma ndi kontinenti yomwe ili ndi kuthekera kwakukulu, pafupifupi chilichonse. Pankhani ya omvera anu achikhalidwe chamakampani oyendayenda, ndizoposa mwayi [omwe ulipo] m'dziko lililonse. Ethiopia ili ndi kuthekera kwakukulu kosagwiritsidwa ntchito kwa zokopa alendo ndi zina zotero. Kuthekera kwachuma ku Africa ndikwambiri, komabe akuyenera kuthana ndi zopinga zingapo kuti akwaniritse zomwe angathe.

Sandy: Zoona. Timagwira ntchito kwambiri ndi Ethiopian Airlines, ndipo sindikudziwa ngati mwakhala nawo mwayi wowawulukira pano, koma chipewa changa chimapita kwa iwo Adasunga dzikolo palimodzi, kupanga ndi kusunga misewu kupita popanda zambiri. okwera, poonetsetsa kuti thambo lotseguka m'dziko lawo, likhale lotseguka. Kodi mumakhala ndi vuto mukamayenda kudutsa ku Africa kuti mulowe ndi kutuluka?

Hayes: Ayi, osati kwenikweni, popeza ndakhala ndikupita kumadoko akulu, koma ngati mukuyesera kupita [kuchokera] kudziko lina kupita ku lina, ndizovuta kwambiri. Ndine wokondwa kuti mwanena zomwe mudachita za Ethiopian Airlines; Ndikuganiza kuti ndi amodzi mwa abwino kwambiri ku Africa. Ethiopian Airlines, Kenya Airlines, ndi South African Airways onse ndi mamembala a The Corporate Council, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti onse amayendetsedwa bwino, koma ndikuganiza makamaka, posachedwa, Ethiopian Airlines ndi ndege zoyendetsedwa bwino kwambiri. Ndikuganiza kuti adangopambana mphotho yayikulu ku London…

Sandy: chabwino! Ngati mudapita ku Africa, mukudziwa zomwe ndikutanthauza. Zimasokoneza zingwe za mtima wanu. Ndi chinthu chomwe chimangobwera kwa inu. Zimamera pa inu. Mumayamba kuzikonda, ndipo palibe kubwerera mmbuyo. Ndakhala ndi ulendo wanga wachisanu ndi chitatu wopita ku Africa. Ndipo tikulankhula ndi Stephen Hayes. Stephen, uyenera kukhala ndi chiyani, maulendo 50, 100 opita ku Africa tsopano?

Hayes: Mwinamwake ali pafupi ndi 50, ndiko kulondola, ndithudi zaka khumi izi.

Sandy: Ndizodabwitsa. Stephen Hayes ndi purezidenti ndi CEO wa [The] Corporate Council on Africa. Ali ku Washington DC. Anangobwera kumene kuchokera ku Kenya ndi Ethiopia. Takhala tikulankhula pang'ono, osati ulendo wake wokha, koma zinthu zina zomwe zikuchitika ku Africa, osati paulendo ndi maulendo, koma m'mafakitale onse ndi mwayi [omwe ndi] zodabwitsa. Tsopano, mukukonzekera msonkhano waukulu ndipo umachitika zaka ziwiri zilizonse, ndiye muyenera kukhala okondwa nazo.

Hayes: Chabwino, kukondwa ndi njira imodzi yofotokozera. Wamanjenje, wamantha, inde. Ndilo msonkhano waukulu wamalonda wa US-Africa wamtundu uliwonse ndipo tikuyembekeza, chifukwa uli ku Washington DC nthawi ino, tikuyembekezera anthu pafupifupi 2,000 - anthu amalonda ochokera ku United States ndi Africa. Takhala ndi Alembi awiri a nduna atsimikizira izi: Mlembi wa Zamalonda, woyimira zamalonda waku US. Ndili ndi chiyembekezo kuti tidzakhala ndi Mlembi wa boma ndipo, mwachiyembekezo, tidzakhala ndi Purezidenti wa United States pano. Tili ndi apurezidenti pafupifupi khumi aku Africa omwe adatsimikizira kale izi. Chifukwa chake, ndi pulogalamu yayikulu pazachuma, ndale, komanso chikhalidwe, komanso. Ndilo chochitika chofunikira kwambiri pamabizinesi okhudzana ndi ubale wachuma ku US-Africa. Ngati wina ali ndi chidwi [chofuna] kuyika ndalama ku Africa m'malo osiyanasiyana, kaya zokopa alendo, mphamvu, zomangamanga, thanzi, magawo angapo, ndiye kuti ayenera kukhala pamsonkhanowu.

Sandy: Tsopano, izi zikhala kumapeto kwa Seputembala, sichoncho?

Hayes: Chabwino. September 29-Oktoba 1. Koma, iyi ikhala sabata yamsonkhano m'njira zambiri. Msonkhanowu usanachitike pa 28 ndi 29, tikuchita zosiyana zomwe timatcha kuti "osapikisana" zokambirana: Kuchita Bizinesi ku Ethiopia, Kuchita Bizinesi ku Nigeria, ndi Kuchita Bizinesi ku Angola. Maphunziro a theka la tsiku. Iwo adzakhala omasuka kwa aliyense amene alipidwa kuti abwere pa msonkhano. Chifukwa chake, izi zikhala zofunika ndipo, pambuyo pake, tikhala ndi zokambirana za mayiko awiri okha ndi South Africa ndi Nigeria. Pamsonkhano womwewo, tidzakhala ndi zokambirana 64, zokambirana zingapo, ndipo, zowonadi, zolankhula zazikulu pang'ono kuchokera ku zomwe tikuyembekeza kuti adzakhala Purezidenti wa United States, koma kuchokera ku nduna yake yayikulu, komanso atsogoleri ena aku Africa.

Sandy: Mukadakhala kampani kunja kwa The Corporate Council ku Africa, ndipo mutha kuwona kuti mwayiwu unali wochuluka ku Africa, ndi gawo liti lomwe mwina mungaike chala chanu?

Hayes: Ndikuganiza kuti gawo lazamalonda ndi zokopa alendo [ndi] madera awiri omwe makampani aku America angapindule [ndi] komwe alinso ndi mwayi woyerekeza. Dziko lililonse ku Africa likufunika magawo olimba abizinesi yaulimi. Dziko lililonse ku Africa likhoza kupanga ulimi, ndipo tifunika kulimbikitsa ubale wamalonda, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti pali ntchito yeniyeni ndi kufunikira kwa bizinesi ya US agro-bizinesi. Ndikuganiza kuti zokopa alendo ndi malo ena omwe ali ndi mwayi wopanda malire, dziko ndi dziko. Chomwe chikuyenera kuchitika, ndikuti zomangamanga ziyenera kumangidwa kuti ntchito zokopa alendo zigwire ntchito komanso kuti mbewu zigulitsidwe ndipo ndicho chimodzi mwazovuta zazikulu za Africa, ndi zomangamanga ndi kusowa kwake, komanso zambiri. msonkhano wathu ukhala ukuyang'ana kwambiri pakupanga zomangamanga.

Sandy: Mukudziwa, ndizosangalatsa kwambiri mutatchula za Angola, chifukwa ndinali ku Angola ndipo, ndithudi, atuluka m’nkhondo ya zaka 30 mwina zaka zinayi kapena zisanu zapitazo. Chifukwa chake, akadali atsopano, koma ndili komweko, tinali ndi aphunzitsi ochokera ku Hawaii omwe amalankhula ndi kuphunzitsa alimi ena za kulima chinanazi, ndipo zinali zosangalatsa kwambiri kuwona zimenezo. Ndiyeno iwo anali ndi gulu lina kumeneko limene linali kusandutsa migodi ya nthaka kukhala mipesa ya mpesa ndipo iwo ankayitcha iyo “migodi kukhala mipesa.” Zinthu zambiri ngati izi zikuchitika, si?

Hayes: Chabwino, Angola ndi amodzi mwa mayiko omwe [akuchulukira], ndipo sizinali ngozi kuti Secretary of State adakumananso ndi izi paulendo wake. Ndi dziko lalikulu lomwe lili ndi anthu 13 miliyoni okha, kotero pali malo opanda malire oti agwiritse ntchito, makamaka paulimi. Komanso, Angola ikhala yopanga mafuta ambiri ku Africa, kudutsa Nigeria posachedwa. Ndikofunikira kwambiri ku United States ndipo ndi dziko lomwe lili ndi kuthekera kwakukulu komwe kwayamba, kungoyamba kumene, kuchita zinthu moyenera.

Sandy: Wow, zosangalatsa kwambiri. Mukudziwa, tidakhala membala [wa The Corporate Council on Africa] osati kale kwambiri, ndipo ndimangodabwa ndi zomwe ndimapeza tsiku lililonse, Stephen uli ndi antchito abwino.

Hayes: Ndikutero. Ndine wonyadira kwambiri antchito awa. Ndimakonda kuuza anthu aku Washington [kuti] ndiyika ndodoyi motsutsana ndi aliyense. Ndi antchito odzipereka kwambiri. Ndi achichepere ndi aluso [anthu] ndipo odzipereka kwambiri ku ubale wa US-Africa. Ndikuganiza kuti ndili ndi mwayi kwambiri. [Ndili ndi] Rhodes Scholars awiri ogwira ntchito, ndipo ndi antchito anzeru.

Sandy: Ndithu. Ndipo tsopano inunso mwatulutsa, ndipo izi ndi za mamembala, ndipo tidzakambirana za umembala, koma ndimangofuna kuziseka ponena kuti tsiku lililonse timapeza nkhani zatsiku ndi tsiku za The Corporate Council on Africa, ndipo zimafalikira padziko lonse lapansi. kontinenti yonse. Ndipo tsiku lililonse limadzaza ndi nkhani. Inu mukuchita ntchito yabwino pa izo, inunso.

Hayes: Zikomo. Chabwino, Daily Clips imangoyang'ana bizinesi basi ndipo monga mukudziwa, Sandy, simukuwona izi m'manyuzipepala. Pali mabizinesi ambiri omwe akuchitika ku Africa komwe dziko lino silikudziwa. Ndipo, ndikuganiza kuti Makanema athu a Tsiku ndi Tsiku akhala gwero labwino kwambiri lazamalonda ku Africa mdziko muno.

Sandy: Ndi zabwino kwambiri. Ndikufuna [kuti] ndiyankhulenso, [zakuti] mumachita msonkhano wamakanema. Kodi ndi mawa pomwe tili ndi msonkhano wamakanema wa kazembe waku Ghana?

Hayes: Ndi 28, Lachinayi lotsatira, ndikuganiza kuti ndi. Koma inde, mwezi uliwonse timachita msonkhano wapavidiyo wa mamembala athu ndi kazembe wosankhidwa waku US ku Africa. Ndi zokambirana zosawerengeka za nkhani zomwe mamembala athu angakhale nazo komanso zomwe zikuchitika m'dzikolo, ndipo zimathandiza mamembala athu kupanga zisankho zabwino zoyendetsera ndalama.

Sandy: Ndithu. Tiyeni tikambirane pang'ono za mamembala ndi omwe angakhale membala, ndipo kodi uyenera kukhala membala kuti ukakhale pa msonkhano womwe takhala tikuwukamba [umenewo ndi] kumapeto kwa Seputembala?

Hayes: Tiyeni tiyambire kumbuyo. Ayi, simukuyenera kukhala membala. Mukungoyenera kulipira. Mamembala, mwachiwonekere, amapeza mitengo yotsika pazochitika zoterezi, koma msonkhanowu ndi wotseguka kwa onse omwe ali ndi chidwi chenicheni ndi Africa komanso omwe ali ndi chidwi chenicheni ndi mwayi wopeza ndalama. Ngati muli ndi chidwi ndi Africa, mutha kusunga ndalama zambiri popita ku msonkhano. Ndipo, ndikunena izi chifukwa, pamtengo wochepera tikiti ya ndege yopita ku Africa, mutha kukumana ndi chiwerengero chilichonse, pafupifupi [chiwerengero] chosawerengeka cha Atsogoleri aku Africa, nduna za ku Africa, ochita zisankho, anthu abizinesi, [ndi] ogwirizana nawo ochokera ku America. . Pokhapokha, ngati muli wotsimikiza, ndiyeno ngati muli, ndikuganiza kuti ndi chisankho chabwino kwambiri chomwe mungapange.

Sandy: Ukudziwa, ukakamba za kubwera kwa nduna, ndikutanthauza kuti, anthu awa ndi anthu omwe adzakhalepo, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti mutha kulumikizana nawo panokha.

Hayes: Inde, mukutero. Munthu aliyense wabizinesi wabwinobwino akhoza kukhala pamenepo [ndi] kuyankhula ndi mmodzi wa nduna za boma. Inde, iwo ndi cabinet. Ndilo tanthauzo la nduna ya boma la Africa kuti ndi membala wa nduna. Ndipo, tidzakhala ndi atumiki osachepera 100 ochokera kumadera ndi mayiko ndi magawo osiyanasiyana. Unduna wa Zamalonda udzakhalapo, nduna za zaumoyo, nduna za zokopa alendo, ndi ena otero.

Sandy: Zodabwitsa. Tiye tikambirane pang'ono za umembala, pali njira yomwe mumayang'ana kuti mukhale membala?

Hayes: Chabwino, makamaka, ngati muli bizinesi ndipo muli ndi ofesi ku United States, kukhalapo kwakuthupi. Mwanjira ina, simuyenera kukhala kampani yaku US, pa se, koma ngati muli ndi thupi ku United States. Mwachitsanzo, Standard Bank of Africa ndi membala wa CCA. Ndilo banki yayikulu kwambiri ku Africa, South Africa-based, koma ili ndi maofesi ku United States, kotero imatha kujowina CCA, ndipo yatero. Kotero, umembala ndi wa mabizinesi. Ndikuganiza kuti munthu atha kulengeza kuti ndi bizinesi, koma amayenera kulipira mtengo wofanana ndi bizinesi ina iliyonse.

Sandy: Kupatula kutenga tatifupi, tatifupi CCA tsiku lililonse, ndi mavidiyo conferencing, pali china chilichonse mungawonjezere umembala?

Hayes: Timachita zochitika zoposa 100 pachaka. Tili ndi gulu lachitetezo. Simukuyenera kukhala ku Washington kuti mukakhale nawo. Mutha kuchita izi kudzera pa teleconference kapena kuyimbira foni ndikukhalapo. Koma, tili ndi gulu logwira ntchito zachitetezo, tili ndi gulu logwira ntchito pazomangamanga zomwe zimakumana mwezi uliwonse, tili ndi msonkhano wamakampani azaumoyo mwezi uliwonse, [ndi] zina, [ndi] misonkhano. Tilinso ndi mautumiki ofufuza. Ngati membala akufunikira kafukufuku pa msika wina, ndiye kuti tili ndi antchito omwe angalembe mapepalawo, [ndipo] adzawagwirira ntchito ndikuwalangiza. Ngakhale makampani akuluakulu, nthawi zambiri amavutika kupeza misonkhano ndi anthu. Tidzakhazikitsa [mwachitsanzo], ngati mukufuna msonkhano ndi Kazembe waku Nigeria, ndipo muli ndi mlandu wabwino, ndiye kuti tidzakhazikitsa msonkhanowo. Akazembe amakonda kutilemekeza ndi kutimvera, ndipo tikhoza kulowa mosavuta kuposa makampani ambiri pamisonkhano yotere. Ngati mukufuna upangiri wopita kudziko, mukufuna malangizo oti mukumane naye, nafenso tidzakupatsani. Apo ayi, mwa kusalowa nawo CCA, ndikuyesera kuchita nokha, mukhoza kupita, kunena, dziko lililonse ndipo osakhala ndi lingaliro laling'ono la momwe limagwirira ntchito, ndani kuti awone, [kapena] kumene mungapite. Mumawononga nthawi yochuluka ndi ndalama zambiri. Ndikunena kuti ngati muli ndi chidwi ndi Africa, kuyika ndalama ku Africa, umembala ku CCA ndi imodzi mwazabwino kwambiri zomwe mungakhale nazo. Koma ngati simudzatigwiritsa [kuti], mukuwononga ndalama zanu. Chifukwa chake, ngati wina alowa nafe, akuyenera kudzipereka kutigwiritsa ntchito.

Sandy: Chomwe ndimakonda pa izi [ndicho] zili ngati kukhala ndi bwenzi popanda kugawana nawo.

Hayes: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti ndi choncho. Ndi antchito owonjezera. Ndizotsika mtengo kwambiri kuposa momwe mungalipire wogwira ntchito m'modzi kuti akuchitireni zomwe 30 antchito athu angakuchitireni.

Sandy: Ndithu. Mukulondola mwamtheradi. Kodi mukupitanso ku Africa msonkhano usanachitike kumapeto kwa Seputembala?

Hayes: Ayi. sindiyenda kulikonse tsopano. Sindikutenga tchuthi mpaka pambuyo pa msonkhano.

Sandy: Chabwino, ndimati ndikufunseni, nthawi iliyonse yomwe ndimalankhula nanu, mudapita ku Africa ndipo awa si maulendo aafupi. Ndikutanthauza, ndizokulirapo kuposa kupita ku London kapena ku Paris. Izi ndi zazikulu. Monga wapaulendo, ndipo ndimangofuna kukulowetsani m'mutu mwanu, upangiri [wa] mtundu uliwonse womwe mungakhale nawo kwa apaulendo omwe akupita ku Africa?

Hayes: Chabwino, ukudziwa, pirira. Umenewo ungakhale uphungu woyamba. Ma eyapoti sali ofanana mwachitsanzo. Iwo ali odzaza pang'ono. Muyenera kukhala oleza mtima komanso, kachiwiri, kukonzekera pasadakhale. Onetsetsani kuti muli ndi munthu wokumana nanu pabwalo la ndege, osati pazifukwa zachitetezo, koma chifukwa chomasuka komanso kuyendayenda mochulukirapo. Choncho, muyenera kukonzekera kwambiri. Simungangowulukira mumzinda mosavuta ku Africa monga momwe mungawulukire ku London ndikuyendayenda. Ndizosangalatsa kwambiri ngati mutero, ndithudi, koma zingakhale zosangalatsa kuposa momwe mukufunira kapena kusowa.

Sandy: Kulondola, kulondola, ndipo ngati muli ndi bizinesi, mukufuna kuchita bizinesi, ndiyenso mbali ina yake.

Hayes: Ndiko kulondola, ndiko kulondola.

Sandy: Chabwino, monga nthawi zonse, tasangalala kwambiri ndi nthawi yathu ndi inu. Kodi mungakhulupirire kuti zimapita mofulumira chonchi?

Hayes: Ndili nazo.

Sandy: Inde, ifenso, ndipo tidzakuyambitsani mwezi wamawa. Tikuyembekezera kukhala nanu ku Washington DC kumapeto kwa Seputembala pamsonkhanowu. Tikuyitanitsa aliyense amene akumvetsera kuti aone, bwerani ku webusayiti, kulumikizana ndi Pulogalamu ya Sabata Ino, muwona chithunzi cha Stephen, wolumikizana ndi CCA, [The] Corporate Council on Africa ndi, ndithudi, mudzapeza zambiri pa msonkhano wodabwitsa uwu. Ndipo zimachitika pazaka ziwiri zilizonse, choncho musazengereze. Muyenera kubwera nafe. Zikomo, Stephen. Tilankhula nanu posachedwa.

Hayes: Ok, zikomo Sandy.

Sandy : Zikomo kwambiri.